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« on: September 12, 2009, 03:03:46 PM »

I was checking out the site of Lisa Mason where she makes incredible claims of web content production:

Author of How to Earn a Living Writing for the Internet

    * 10+ years experience in Internet Writing
    * Thousands of e-books written
    * Hundreds of thousands of articles written

These figures are astronomical don't you think? Is this another case of American excess of boasting or genuine talent?

Check out her site here: http://www.freelancewriter4hire.com/ and note the blue eye's which are probably due to contact lenses covering up the real bloodshot eyes I suspect.

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 05:06:17 AM »

An American excess of lying.

I guess somebody could be a speed writer, but the claims are ridiculous anyway you look at them.


Hundreds of thousands of articles in 10+ years?

Let's spread that claim out over 20 years, and see how ridiculous it is:

In 20 years time, there are 7300 days. Writing 10 articles a day with no breaks would still only produce 73,000 article, so we can kick that up to 14 articles a day which would make the total 102,200.

That's not taking into account the claimed thousands of ebooks or other claims, and I doubled the time span for which she claimed. Basically she is claiming over 24 articles a day for 365 days a years.

I'm just not seeing that as feasible.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2009, 06:13:00 AM »

It needs to be a minimum of 200,000 articles to be 100's of thousands.

If we assume the 10+ years is 11 years, it would be about 49 articles per day. And then an ebook every 2 days.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2009, 01:27:56 PM »

It needs to be a minimum of 200,000 articles to be 100's of thousands.

Maybe in another country. Tongue

Perhaps I'm overly pessimistic of marketing claims, and American marketing claims at that, but when I see claims of thousands or hundreds of thousands I assume the minimum to legally qualify for the claim to be 1000 and 100,000 respectively.

Of course, being that I think she is lying or otherwise stretching the truth well beyond its boundaries, I have no disagreement with holding her to a claim of 200,000 at a minimum.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 02:30:51 PM »

What Lisa Mason (oops, nearly forgot to SEO the keyword) has done I think is to spin articles so each article has many variants. But even so, Lisa Mason is treating her potential clients as morons which ain't good for business and reputation I think.
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2009, 04:12:02 PM »

What Lisa Mason (oops, nearly forgot to SEO the keyword) has done I think is to spin articles so each article has many variants. But even so, Lisa Mason is treating her potential clients as morons which ain't good for business and reputation I think.

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Her potential clients are morons and that's to whom she is marketing herself. Not saying that I cannot be a moron at least 50% of the time, but neither of us are buying her guff, and consequently she is not marketing to us. The people who are going to use her services take claims as they are, and are the exact people I would want for sales calls.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 07:28:03 AM »

Interesting irony which developed.

A member on NB was asking a question about getting a client to pay more for the articles he writes, and claims 20-30 300 word articles a day for this one client, within a 5 hour period. It's unfathomable to me.

http://www.netbuilders.org/business/how-should-i-ask-raise-9722-2.html#post80254
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2009, 11:39:08 AM »

A member on NB was asking a question about getting a client to pay more for the articles he writes, and claims 20-30 300 word articles a day for this one client, within a 5 hour period. It's unfathomable to me.

Ha...I quoted myself Cheesy


It gives me a headache just thinking about the possibility of someone maintaining a pace of 20 to 30 words a minute, and claiming perfect spelling along the way.

I guess I'm an old fashion writer; I start at the beginning and finish at some point when I have decided I'm finished. Sometimes I know my beginning and end, and just have to get from one to the other; taking from high school composition classes where we would write articles consisting of 5 paragraphs with an intro paragraph, 3 paragraphs forming the body of the article, and a summary paragraph.


20 to 30 articles within 5 hours?

If somebody can accomplish that, it is not through standard writing means; at least not that I can see, but maybe I'm wrong.


Looking at other conversations on article writing and how many to place on what pages and keywords to optimize in order to get high serps does not paint a pretty picture of the internet.

When I first started using the internet, I found quite a resource of information. I think they had been calling it something along the lines of the information superhighway.

Anymore, I am finding the same keyword optimized articles, just rewritten in different ways, or not even rewritten, which pay more attention to keyword optimization and lack any actual information on the topic at hand, or are just plainly misinformation in and of themselves. The internet - the misinformation superhighway.

Myself, I just buy or borrow a book on the subject. That's what I recommend to people actually looking for information because they'll have to wade through a lot of keyword optimized crap before they will find much real information on many topics.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 05:40:29 PM »

The requirements here for a typist is 65 words per minute with only 5 misspellings. I knew a lady when I was young that was a court stenographer that at one point the machine she used for court room short hand so she had to use a manual typewriter. this shocked the courts that she could do this so they tested her and said she could type 200 words per minute with only 7 misspellings. She could type faster than people here can talk as could my mother.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 04:59:41 AM »

That's dictation though; though no small feat.

What these writers are suggesting is not only maintaining a pace of 20-30 words per minute, and one claims zero misspellings, but that is including creating 20-30 articles within the same timespan.
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2009, 09:22:48 AM »

It started with B U M marketing, I inserted spaces since the word is likely to get filtered. This involved quickly finding information on a topic that you know nothing about via a web search and scanning the page and writing a quick article as fast as you can to a formula. Then rewrite each paragraph a few times and submit the variations to article directories.

Now much of this has become automated with keyword and phrase substitution plus automated mass submission.

So with one "seed" article you can spin a huge number of variations. For example, if you have 2 possible phrases for each of 3 phrases within your content and the article title you can already generate 16 variations of the same article. But if you are in the business of selling articles you can now claim to have written 16 articles and keep quiet about the seed article.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2009, 05:45:05 PM »

Haha. Nope, it's ridiculous. I've never seen an invidual freelancer of any kind make a website like that. 90% of the site is written in campaign-style 3rd person.

The articles are unimpressive. Any highschool student with a good understanding of english grammar and syntax could easily pull off most of the ones I read.

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Or maybe you feel like no matter how hard you clean, things are instantly a mess again. There are some ways you can help your family learn to keep the house clean by everyone doing their own share.

If you live in a household of 4 or more, you know this is a line of crap. If you find yourself in this situation, its because-- in all honesty-- the rest of the family doesn't care about keeping the house clean and is completely fine with letting you do all the work.

Protesting is much better. Stop cleaning up after everybody else and relax! No dishes? No problem. Grin
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