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« on: June 22, 2006, 05:16:36 AM »

One year ago, Hank Gerbus had his hard drive replaced at a Best Buy store in Cincinnati. Six months ago, he received one of the most disturbing phone calls of his life.

"Mr. Gerbus," Gerbus recalls a stranger named Ed telling him. "I just bought your hard drive in Chicago."

Gerbus, a 77-year-old retiree, was alarmed. He knew the old hard drive was loaded with his personal information -- his Social Security number, account numbers and details of his retirement investments. But that's not all. The computer also included data on his wife, Roma, and their children and grandchildren, including some of their Social Security numbers.

In June 2005, when Gerbus took his computer to Best Buy for repairs after a hard drive crash, he knew the drive was a potential hot potato. So when a clerk there told him it had to be replaced, he asked for the damaged hardware back.

No dice. The replacement was done for free, under warranty, and Gerbus was told the old drive had to be sent to a repair center in Chicago to fulfill warranty terms.

"I asked in the store on two or three occasions. ... I was very concerned," he said. "But they said 'we can't give you the old one because it's under warranty.'"

Gerbus said he was assured that, after verifying the warranty, workers in Chicago would drill holes through the drive and make it unusable.

Gerbus' hard drive did make it to Chicago. But instead of being destroyed, it landed in Ed’s hands. In January, Ed tracked down the Gerbus family at the couple's winter home in Florida, and placed that disturbing call.

"The only way he would have had my Florida number was if he had my hard drive," Henry Gerbus said.

Ed told Mr. Gerbus he'd purchased the drive at a flea market for $25, Hank Gerbus recalls. The two made arrangements to return the hardware to its rightful owner. But Gerbus has no idea who else might have seen the personal information in the interim.

Gerbus has asked Best Buy to pay for identity theft insurance for him and his family. He says the firm so far has offered him only a $250 Best Buy gift card as compensation.


Hard drives not properly trashed

It's not clear why the drive wasn't destroyed, and how it apparently ended up on the resale market. But Gerbus' tale of the nemesis of old hard drives is no isolated incident. There have been several celebrated cases of researchers buying hard drives at used equipment stores and discovering critical data on them.

In the most dramatic example, in 2002-2003 MIT researcher Simson Garfinkel examined 129 used hard drives purchased from a variety of outlets. Only 12 had been completely cleared of data. The other drives contained thousands of documents with critical information -- one had 3,722 credit card numbers on it. Another had been used to power an ATM machine and contained sensitive bank data.

To retrieve some of that data, Garfinkel and colleague Abhi Shelat had to use advanced techniques -- but their demonstration showed old hard drives are often disposed of improperly. Simple deletion of data is not enough, as there are a variety of techniques that can be used to recover it. And data can be retrieved even from drives that have crashed, like Gerbus', using similar techniques.

On the other hand, drilling holes through a hard drive -- and specifically the platter inside -- is quite effective.

Too bad in Gerbus' case that wasn't done.

What's the lesson here? Perhaps when you bring in a computer for service, it wouldn't be a bad idea to bring your own drill. Just in case.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2006, 12:17:01 PM »

This is a shame and extremely scary. This is one of the reasons I do my own tech support.

My suggestion is to pay for the new hard drive and have the labor done under warranty. This would give you the right to keep the old hard drive.

The other option is to pay a data recovery firm to recover the data and destroy the hard drive. They will be happy to install another hard drive for you. Most warranties will permit this since they know the critical nature of the data. The warranty does not cover the cost of this, but it will not invalidate the warranty.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2006, 03:20:22 PM »

it's problem everythere from what I know... none would like to waste time for clearning data so unless you do it yourself it's much likely that this data would travel to new hard drive owner, and you'll be at the mercy of this person.
Not sure like in US but here all old drives as long as they are working doesn't go to warranty center, they are sold again with lower price. So when I change hard drive I do simply operation, delete all data, and than write to this partition some data like film to utilize all free space and make data restoring harder. Later I delete all partitions and give it to company where I do upgrade(because I'm always buy in one company and they know me well I can get new hard drive to home, transfer all data from old one to new drive and later perform all manipulation described above).
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2006, 04:58:51 AM »

Thanks for posting that TexasLady ... That is really scary stuff indeed and thanks for the advice Denis sure am going to use it ....
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