IE 7

[donecweb]

I have just acquired a copy of IE 7 beta 1 and have been trying to see how it is different than IE 6. I am disappointed so far. It is a simple thing that disappoints me most and that is they did away with the go button next to the address bar so if you paste an address into the address bar you have to let go of the mouse and find the return key and hit it. Another thing that has so far displeased me is I can not see that it renders CSS any different at this point. So if they are going to have IE 7 production release come closer to following the standards then it will be different than the beta 1 version.

[Andy]

Great news! This gives Firefox a further boost.

[donecweb]

That is a fact.

[Hope]

what is terrible, is they make things the way they want, not the way they should.

[donecweb]

Doesn't that depend on your point of view? For instance if you were told by your stock holders that they wanted to make more money and this was your job then wouldn't it be doing your job and doing what you should in your job to make cars that break down after 36 months and to make software that people have to keep coming back for fixes and to buy new just to stay attuned to their world thus spending lots of money correct and doing what you should?

[Andy]

I think most web servers in the world run on Unix/Linux so could choose to be incompatible with IE7. Correct me if I'm wrong. Then again, doesn't most spam and virus attacks originate from open-source servers? So maybe these should be outlawed?

If you have to keep buying new then you will buy from China and have no need for local maintenance companies such as electrical shops, garages and anything related to industry in your home country. You will simply dispose of the broken item and replace it with a brand new latest model instead of paying the insurance and maintenance to keep the old item alive.

What we all need to do is buy less junk that we don't need and not be driven by keeping up with the neighbours. Just buy an expensive-seeming car at the auctions, park it on your drive and that's it (you don't have to drive it). No matter how much your neighbours spend on plasma TV's, designer cloths etc. nothing beats a better car than they have parked permanently on the drive in view from their kitchen windows.

[SensoVision]

Don is rigth, as if software work as it should from the scratch not much people would waste money on downloading patches and buying new version of software...

I think most web servers in the world run on Unix/Linux so could choose to be incompatible with IE7.

I think that most servers were historically run on Unix server and later go on Linux just because it gives same functionality and stability but cost 0$.
4 days ago my girl's notebook slow down to dead end... and when we start to search for problem we discovered that it was W32.Jeefo, seems like all .exe files were infected and system was unable to move, delete or disinfect them... so while I copy all important data and university projects(which by the way contain a lot of .exe files(compiled programs)) I've understand how good that such thing isn't likely happen under Linux...
here is nice quote IMHO which reflect things in virus field...

To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it, writes SecurityFocus columnist Scott Granneman.

I've found it in this article if you're interested: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/

Then again, doesn't most spam and virus attacks originate from open-source servers?

Andy, what do you mean by open-source servers statement? Have you ever get spam from sourceforge.net or kernel.org ?

[Andy]

Sorry, I am probably wrong about the statement about spam coming from open source servers. I don't really know where most of my spam comes from. I assumed that most viruses that attack windows would not be written on windows platforms.

So most servers run apache web server on linux i guess?

[SensoVision]

sorry, guess I misunderstood you as well, as I thought that you rather referring to open-source communities than their products, as for Apache or other scripts, even if they are used for sending SPAM guess that not because they are designed for this, they are just work better, cost nothing and usually used on the servers... Thanks to this free software Internet is developing so rapidly.
Anyway why don't you check what is set as a client which was used to compose the mail(I know that this could be forged but I doubt that it's necessary for sending spam). By the way I remeber that year or two ago I've got on the site which sold e-mail databases and clients for sending them and they actually were written for MS platform.
As for viruses I doubt that a lot people working on Unux would waste their time learning Windows holes in order to exploit them, guess they should work closely with this platform in order to discover security holes and exploit them, isn't this sounds logical? (of course I'm not sure how things in reality are done)

[Hope]

I just find M$ frustrated that they sell Beta Software. This stuff has not been tested. It is crap when it comes out. They only reason they release it is for the all might US$$$$. I would not purchase a vehicle if it wasn't tested and certified to be quality. Why should we have to suffer with software that is not quality?

<stepping down from soap box>

[donecweb]

IE 7 beta 1 is not for sale yet this is a developers version. I've been helping a friend and he said he wants my opinion on it so I got lucky or unlucky (it replaced IE 6) and am trying it.

[UpTheBracket]

One thing i can't understand is why IE7 will be a shareware as Firefox is freeware... That won't do any good to IE...
Too bad  I prefer using Firefox

[SensoVision]

so now Microsoft wish to back to times when browsers was sold for money? I should check this out...

[12noon]

Here's a picture i found of IE7.
It looks crap to me.
 

[rosie]

I just downloaded Firefox and will play with it a bit and see how I like. Has anyone tried SLIMBROWSER?
I love it! It's an ie addon I have been using for 2+ years. I never use IE anymore. Slimbrowser's free also and it has a great tools section and lots of nice features. I may like firefox and use it sometimes, but I would be surpized if I liked it better than SB. Here's a link if anyone wants to try it!   http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/