Registering a hyphenated version of two domain names

[ponpots]

Hi All,

I was thinking to register a hyphenated version of two domain names (eg:"Keyword-and-keyword.com"

as well as "Keywordandkeyword.com".

I had intended to have various doorway pages (only) on the new hyphenated domain linking to my

main site, but I am concerned that the SE's may yell "spam!"

What do you think? Is there a better way to do it, or is it worth doing at all considering the

value of keywords in the domain name seems to be decreasing?

If, as an alternative, I set up a mirror site, can anyone tell me how much I'd need to alter it

to make it appear unique to SE's.

Thanks, in advance, for any suggestions.


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Keith
Christian Online Shopping Mall - Christian shopping online store

[Hope]

I was thinking to register a hyphenated version of two domain names (eg:"Keyword-and-keyword.com" as well as "Keywordandkeyword.com".

There is not point in having both unless you are thinking about trademarks.

[qupte]
I had intended to have various doorway pages (only) on the new hyphenated domain linking to my main site, but I am concerned that the SE's may yell "spam!"
[/qupte]
Doorway pages are SPAM. So why use them if you are concerned about being penalized?

What do you think? Is there a better way to do it, or is it worth doing at all considering the  value of keywords in the domain name seems to be decreasing?  If, as an alternative, I set up a mirror site, can anyone tell me how much I'd need to alter it  to make it appear unique to SE's.

What do I think? So far you are talking about very well known spamming techniques. Why not just learn SEO and do it right? You are talking about buying a "throw away" domain so you can spam the search engines to get 2-3 months of decent rankings. Then the domain is no longer good because it will be banned or penalized. Then you have to start all over again with another "throw away" domain.

This to me is stupid. Learn to do it right. Once you learn the right way of doing it, you will have long term rankings. You will not need to worry about spamming, penalties or bannings.

Remember, the search engines are not stupid. Your main site will suffer eventually if you use doorways and mirror sites too often.

[ponpots]

Doorway pages are SPAM. So why use them if you are concerned about being penalized?

I don't think every doorwaypages are considered to be SPAM & our site get's penalized. Doing the right way it will not harm our site. I'm not talking about the doorways created by Webpositon and others ....telling click here to go to main site or click here for more information using redirect scripts.

I have seen many websites doing so well on SERPS with doorwaypages for long time. These pages are well optimised doorways. So what's your input??

Also, when search engine penalize our site does it drop all the pages or it only drop the pages that was using certain Spammy techniques & trying to fool search engine?


Thank you for you reply.   

[Hope]

Directly off of Google

Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.

Again I say - DO NOT USE DOORWAY PAGES!

What you are talking about is not a doorway page. If the page is optimized for keywords. If the page has content and if the page is on the same domain as your main site, it is a CONTENT page, not a DOORWAY page.

As for what happens when you are penalized, that depends on the offense and site. You could lose the entire site from the index for a period of time. You  could lose your PR (gray bar). You could have all or part of your site pushed down in the SERPs.

[Andy]

Ponpotts,

I checked out your webpage and it looks already penalized with a PR (sorry for my PR obsession Hope!) of only 3. You should not need any doorway pages for a site like this. Maybe the "Christian" keyword is damaging it since this keyword seems to have no relevance to the site and will dilute the other keywords since it may be regarded as another form of spam? Strange how a religious-minded person can be so keen to deceive others!

[Hope]

I don't know that there is a penalty. There are only 7 backwards links. That could cause the low PR.

It looks like there is some keyword stuffing. That will be a problem.

[Queen Bee]

Strange how a religious-minded person can be so keen to deceive others!

How can you say the keyword "Christian" is used deceitfully when:
"This online shopping mall is dedicated to our church ministry. 75% of funds raised here goes to Grace Christian Church & ministry of Nepal for the help of evanzelism, gospel & to fulfill the daily needs of poor, naked & helpless children & peoples."

You might not be aware of this, but many Christians like to shop through Christian stores, whether or not the products themselves are Christian based. It's like a "keeping it in the family" type of system.

[larryweiss]

I have a similar situation. It arose from a complicated situation. TR was hosting a site for us, and we developed out own site, with somewhat different content. Years later we decided to drop the TR site, but thought some people might still have the address.

All I did was leave all content on the old site, and add a redirect.

It worked out well.

As an afterthought, would anyone take a look and see if they think wwww.piper-plastics.com has been penelized. Maybe it has not worked out well.