Very Responsive Email Advertising & free

[rodneyj]

There are those of us that live by Yahoogroups mailing because we know it works espeacially when you are emailing to 10's of thousands of people daily.

Yahoogroups works better than web-based safelists for some reason, I believe I do know why but I am not here to speculate. Fact is they do work, I know they do.

But anyway some of you don't even know how to use a Groupmailer let alone know anything about Yahoogroups. (we all are learning at diferent levels)

I have put the two concepts together in a simple manual of 14 pages with lots of pictures for us visual learners.

Included in it is 600 yahoogroups lists.

This will cost you nothing it's free
*URL removed for authorization reasons...*

[Hope]

Are you saying that you are putting together a book to teach people how to spam?

[Queen Bee]

That's what it looks like...

RodneyJ, do you like receiving unsolicited e-mail? I bet not. Why would you want to promote this? The internet is full of enough spam to last us the next millennium, and offers like this do not help.

I try to understand, and please don't take it as if I'm being rude, but this forum does not support spam.

[rodneyj]

Don't be silly,

You are very very very misinformed,  how long have you been online?

There is a place for us in Yahoogroups - with topic specific groups where we are all welcomed.

I am a moderator of three groups myself and also the owner of one.

I have sucessfully been doing this for more than two years, and others have too.

They are just like opt-in safelists with very similar rules.

I hate Spam just like everybody else, I am well informed about Spam laws too and would not risk a business or website or even a website affiliation.

My little book warns about Spam and abuse.

Traffichoopla and other sites talk about or teach Yahoogroups and people are using them.

Also available is MSN groups, Smartgroups, Topic and a few others - Just make sure you are in the right group.

TO PROVE YOU WRONG HERE IS PROOF TO BACK ME UP

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/In_Business_at_Home/

[Hope]

You are very very very misinformed,  how long have you been online?

I have been online since 1995. I have been doing internet marketing and search engine optimization since 1996. I have been around a long time. I am NOT misinformed about spam.

I asked a question because your original post didn't give much information.

There are those of us that live by Yahoogroups mailing because we know it works espeacially when you are emailing to 10's of thousands of people daily.

Anytime I see 10's of thousands of people daily, I start to wonder if you are spamming.

From YahooGroups Page
This is a safelist style group that welcomes everyone to join and post freely. If you have a business, MLM, or website to promote you're invited to do so here.

This to me says JUNK LIST. The only people stupid enough to sign up for this kind of "safelist" wants to send out to the safelist. So you have a bunch of ignorant newbies to the web and a bunch of scam artist trying to get rich from MLM.

For anyone in the US. 99% of MLM are illegal in the US. You can be arrested or fined. Be careful.

Yes I am harsh, but I have seen too many newbies to the web get scammed. You have people who don't think when they are online.

Is it spam? If they opt in, then now. Are these scams? probably most of them are.

If you are looking to get people to buy your product or service from an email you send, then rent an email list from a reputable source. This is not cheap, but it is worth the money. Buy ad space in a newsletter. This usually is a good price, but remember to find a newsletter that matches your product or service. Write an article for a newsletter or website with links to your site. Again make sure it is related to what you have.

There are many ways to make it on the internet, remember to use common sense. If it seems too easy or too good to be true, it is. It will also be frowned upon by most people around the world.

[islanding]

Well said Hope...................

[rodneyj]

I agree with what you say about MLM - 100%

The point here though is Yahoogroups is not Spam or Scam, A junk list ? well no it's a opt-in safelist just like the many thousand web-based ones available but there more responsive.

It's up to you what promote - I personally don't promote MLM

If you are looking to get people to buy your product or service from an email you send, then rent an email list from a reputable source.

- Yes this is a good way to go, but one time I did this I got suspended for Spam - I guess I was fooled by the so called reputable source. People please careful with this - the best list of all is your own ligitimately harvested contacts.

Anytime I see 10's of thousands of people daily, I start to wonder if you are spamming.

No it's just maths example 100 groups with 100 people in each = 10K

I other point here is I have been using these successfully for years (to promote decent programs) and it's free - here is an old quote from Traffichoopla.

Yahoo Groups TESTED & EXPOSED!

Although there are tens of thousands of Yahoo Groups, we've screened and approved over 700 groups for general business advertising. This is a mostly untapped market and an excellent advertising opportunity.

Yahoo Groups doesn't offer rewards for referrals so there is nothing to include in the Referral Builder. However, Pro Membership includes the Weekly Yahoo Groups Report that introduces you to this advertising opportunity.

Note the words "untapped" yes it is a very overlooked resource

I laugh when you call it Spam or Junk List's (but I don't really want be harsh I am not here to argue but rather debate) because this is a seriously overlooked resource.

Junk List or Safe List - this advertising technic is very powerful. This is worth sharing to the forum - those of you who have never heard of Yahoogroups should learn something here or even those of you whom are mis-informed

I have recieved nothing but thanks from members of my downline who were still struggling to get refferals - I get referals every day just from Yahoogroups alone I have tested and tracked it myself and run separate campaigns in Yahoogroups from my other advertising resources.

The other thing I forgot to mention is "Infacta's Groupmailer" there is nothing wrong with learning this application - it's a great tool, the Pro's use tools like this.

I just wanted to share something useful -
Use due diligence People! this is not Spam promotion like first acused here.

Hope you learnt something

[rodneyj]

It's sad that you removed the URL - there is good information here and i stand by it.

This will cost you nothing it's free
*URL removed for authorization reasons...*

There is no referal program here

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Want to effectively promote your website through internet marketing? Discuss strategies on advertising through e-mail, newsletters, banners, and targeted advertising. Any general promotion-related discussion should be posted here.
Moderator: whiteRabbit
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I would like to request authorisation for this following URL - there is no harm in asking - and I do apologise if I susposed to ask first.

http://pajmarketing.tripod.com/yahoot.html

It is free - and it's not a referal program.

[Hope]

I agree with what you say about MLM - 100%
<snip> ...I have recieved nothing but thanks from members of my downline who were still struggling to get refferals - I get referals every day just from Yahoogroups alone I have tested and tracked it myself and run separate campaigns in Yahoogroups from my other advertising resources. ...<snip>
<snip>... It's up to you what promote - I personally don't promote MLM... <snip>
<snip>... Hope you learnt something ...<snip>

Yes I have learned something. I learned you contradict yourself. You agree with what I say about MLM, but yet your "downline" is happy. Here is a bit of information for you in case you don't understand what I am trying to tell you. ONLY an MLM has a "downline". You are promoting an MLM, Multi-Level Marketing plan. You recrute people who recrute people who in turn do it again and again. MLM!!!!

My point again to ANYONE who sells something REAL. A  tangible product of a viable service will not work on such "opt-in" lists. This is a junk list of MLM and such who want a "safe list". Remember a "safe list" is useless if you want to do real business.

If you are looking to get people to buy your product or service from an email you send, then rent an email list from a reputable source.

Yes this is a good way to go, but one time I did this I got suspended for Spam - I guess I was fooled by the so called reputable source. People please careful with this - the best list of all is your own ligitimately harvested contacts.

If this is your experience, then you have not used a reputable source or you didn't rent the right list for your message.  Remember, when you rent a list, make sure you use a list that has requested the type of information you are sending out. If you rent a "travel agent" list, then send them travel information, not cell phone or placebo emails. Just because people are on a rented list, if the subject is completely off topic, it is still spam.

The other thing I forgot to mention is "Infacta's Groupmailer" there is nothing wrong with learning this application - it's a great tool, the Pro's use tools like this.

What professionals?

this is not Spam promotion like first acused here.

There was not accusations, it was a valid question based on the lack of information you provided. If you are going to post something about email marketing, you need to be very specific with details so it is not questioned. SPAM is a very touchy topic and will raise a few eyebrows.

[rodneyj]

Hope , you really seem to take offense - I don't wish to upset you.

I am not sure where you get your information from? - not everything with downline is MLM - I hate MLM. Anyway this post has nothing to do with MLM

I recruit into legit progams - most of which are free and are traffic generating. - most of which also have an upgrade option - but it's first level commission only (not MLM)

I also live off online affiliate sales - full time - anything that is solid income is a viable business.

My point again to ANYONE who sells something REAL. A  tangible product of a viable service will not work on such "opt-in" lists. This is a junk list of MLM and such who want a "safe list". Remember a "safe list" is useless if you want to do real business.

Also untrue - you can buy into a mailing list of just about any topic, - yes or rent

Email is the most powerful form of advertising online - sadly that's why people dare to Spam.

Thank you for agreeing that this is not Spam promotion and I will take the acuse bit back.

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The other thing I forgot to mention is "Infacta's Groupmailer" there is nothing wrong with learning this application - it's a great tool, the Pro's use tools like this.
What professionals?

well here:

Infacta quote from "about page"

Founded in 1996, infacta Ltd. is a pure software company located in the north west of Ireland which prides itself on developing leading edge messaging solutions. Currently our email and SMS products and solutions are used in over 130 Countries around the world by thousands of individuals and companies of all sizes. 

- a lot of proffessionals use infacta groupmailer - it's an award winning application - I myself have tried different mailer applications but Infacta's is far more superior - LOL a bit expensive too.

Anyway what business are you in? What email marketing methods do you use?
I would be interested to hear what methods you use when it comes to email advertisement.

Kind regards
Rodney

[Queen Bee]

My little book warns about Spam and abuse.

Your "little book" states such: "The only time you will be accused of spam is if you post to a group "off-topic" or you abuse the amount of a day that you post to these groups. I would not push it past 3 posts in a day and spread out too, not 3 in a row."

In other words, these groups view your posts as spam, but you can get away with it as long as it's done in moderation. And clearly, as stated in your "book", moderators and group members were displeased by these posts and either banned you, removed your posts, or complained about it. If this advertising was indeed "opt-in", you would not receive these responses.

I hate MLM. Anyway this post has nothing to do with MLM

You hate MLM, yet you post a link to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/In_Business_at_Home/ as "proof to back me up". This group states such "This is a safelist style group that welcomes everyone to join and post freely. If you have a business, MLM, or website to promote you're invited to do so here."

So you "do not promote MLM", even though you "hate" it. You also claim MLM isn't a form of safelist (Because safelists are "legal" and MLM isn't), yet MLM is promoted in the group that you listed[/u] as proof that your methods are legitimate.

Your arguments are inconsistent-- Which does not say much about your safelists or advertising methods.

[Hope]

I can see that you will not bother to even see the views of legitamate business people. You are a small time MLM/Affiliate that cares nothing for the people you recrute. You care about your traffic. Traffic is good so you can get your pennies for banner views.

Again, I speak from a business point of view. Any real business will not benefit from your junk lists. All that will happen if they sign up with your junk lists is they will have to endure your and everyone elses garbage emails.

If a real business wants to learn about email marketing, the are free to contact me. I will be happy to teach them about:
what spam is
what acceptable messages are
what junk lists do
where to find a real email list to rent
how to avoid making their company look sleezy and spammy

Yes, I am saying that using a junk list like you are advicating make a real business look sleezy. You might as well take away the message they are sending and change it with a placebo ad, because that is how it is viewed.

I am done with this pointless debate with a mind who refused to admit he is peddling junk to the uneducated internet company.

Good day!

[rodneyj]

This nothing wrong with I do, and I do care about those around me. I support a lot of up and coming marketers and am constantly learning myself. I am well respected amongst my online peers.

I earn a full time living from affiliate sales - nothing wrong with that, I even use those products & services myself.

I've been online since 97/8 marketing since 99.

Your are the first person I have ever seen object so much? You seem to be very opinionated yet you have not spoken much truth or fact.

I stand by what I said without getting very nasty, I am relaxed and calm especially since I no longer have to work 9 to 5.

Maybe it seems I contradict myself - yeah sure but I have an answer again but I'll leave it.
People say the good Bible contradicts itself - but there are those of us whom learnt to rightly divide the word of God.

I could explain your acusing statements - but I fear you don't want to listen anyway -

I tried to be nice about it
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We are all not ready for big business like yourself and need to start somewhere and from what I can gather affiliate sales is a good place to start gathering a bit of capital.

Anyway Hope - God Blees, & stay cool plus all the best for the future - I take none of this personally.

Take care..
Rod

[Queen Bee]

People say the good Bible contradicts itself

Hmm... I believe there's a huge difference between interpreting scriptures (Which were written in different languages, different meanings, and different cultures) and understanding the different forms of spam.

Give me contradicting scriptures and I can guarantee you the reason they "contradict" is because one doesn't understand the original context.

I tried to be nice about it

Actually, stating anyone who disagreed with you was ignorant, "silly", and misinformed was not what I would consider nice.

Regardless, you ended your side of this conversation... So I will do the same.