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« on: October 05, 2003, 10:20:46 PM »

have you hear the news about steal sources from developers of Half Life series...? from what I know it seems that from developers was stealed and later published source codes of HL2; CS; TF; HL; DoD; TF2 and the most important sources for Steam... which would allow hackers to exploit network which was originally created for distributing patches and bug fixes, secure shopping and such... so you probably can imagine how serious could be results of exploiting security of such network? Sad
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For those with copies of HL Source

My one and only post on this whole matter. I'm not going to sit here and try to come down on those with copies of the source code because I'm not really prepared to handle the onslaught of bashing that will entail. However, I am willing to let all of you know that the VALVe has involved the FBI, who is now running an investigation on the whole matter. I read a post earlier that said "are they going to come after 10,000 ppl?", they probably will.

I'm not trying to scare anyone. I'm actually trying to warn all of you. It would be STUPID to go to jail for stealing something that involves more than one huge company and thousands and thousands of dollars. Is it really worth going to jail just so you can have a 1 cubed level with no light and the HL2's source code which can never be used publically because most of that information, if ever used, is very recognizeable? It's stealing.

The worse thing I see coming out of this is the creation of cheats and how hard is it to throw in some code to prevent people with access to their source from using their own code against them? Not very. It's been said that VALVe is in the process of hiring professional cheat coders (anyone would turn their backs on cheaters for money) to throw in some code which would disable even the oldest cheats that still work. Sounds good to me, I'd also suggest drastic measures such an agreement in the EULA which allows VALVe to do such and such if you are caught cheating. Fines, investigations, whatever. Cheating is stupid.

So is stealing. All in all, I'm just saying that 90% of the people (50% of those are probably younger than 18) with the source right now can't do anything with it and it'd be sad to see someone punished for having something they can't use. More than anything, I would agree with measures which scanned computers before installing HL2 because insanely illegal obtained source code sits on computers of people within the HL community. It's bad for VALVe, and kinda sad that the community would actually involve themselves in using the code.

That's all I'm saying. //Tennovan
http://steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=23238
don't sure if it's true or not but personally I believe that there  is always some way to exploit such code...

and here is petition for help in identifying who steal codes:
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Ever have one of those weeks? This has just not been the best couple of days for me or for Valve.

Yes, the source code that has been posted is the HL-2 source code.

Here is what we know:

1) Starting around 9/11 of this year, someone other than me was accessing my email account. This has been determined by looking at traffic on our email server versus my travel schedule.

2) Shortly afterwards my machine started acting weird (right-clicking on executables would crash explorer). I was unable to find a virus or trojan on my machine, I reformatted my hard drive, and reinstalled.

3) For the next week, there appears to have been suspicious activity on my webmail account.

4) Around 9/19 someone made a copy of the HL-2 source tree.

5) At some point, keystroke recorders got installed on several machines at Valve. Our speculation is that these were done via a buffer overflow in Outlook's preview pane. This recorder is apparently a customized version of RemoteAnywhere created to infect Valve (at least it hasn't been seen anywhere else, and isn't detected by normal virus scanning tools).

6) Periodically for the last year we've been the subject of a variety of denial of service attacks targetted at our webservers and at Steam. We don't know if these are related or independent.

Well, this sucks.

What I'd appreciate is the assistance of the community in tracking this down. I have a special email address for people to send information to, helpvalve@valvesoftware.com. If you have information about the denial of service attacks or the infiltration of our network, please send the details. There are some pretty obvious places to start with the posts and records in IRC, so if you can point us in the right direction, that would be great.

We at Valve have always thought of ourselves as being part of a community, and I can't imagine a better group of people to help us take care of these problems than this community.

Gabe
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?perpage=15&pagenumber=1

what do you think about this all? do you think it's end of Valve and probably HL2? or they deal with it somehow?
I really sad about all programmers and staff of Valve who is affected by this... Sad 
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2003, 10:32:33 PM »

that was not fair from the hackers part (actually most things what hackers do it's not fair  Undecided). but i'd take this too close to heart becasue I awaited for the game nearly 5 years and now it is delayed. And poor developers, i think what now someone working night and days to fix security issues. Good luck to them. Half-Life was a best game for most of us!
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2003, 12:02:10 AM »

for everyone who is interesting to know what other people think here is other forums where I've post same material:
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?threadid=1917
http://www.12noon.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=427
http://www.webmaster-forum.net/viewtopic.php?p=62919
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2003, 01:14:20 AM »

Thanks for listing my forum. I've no idea what to reply though. All i can say is that i want Half Life 2 as soon as it comes out on PC as long as my computer is up to running it.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2003, 06:40:58 AM »

jep. I want half-life 2 too. I am tired to watch trailers, I want it in action Wink

but generally, this "code leakage" really confused me not only because of game delay.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2003, 09:41:17 AM »

Thanks for listing my forum.
not at all 12noon, if you find any development of this story please let us know.

By the way IGear, welcome to our community! Wink
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2004, 12:09:19 AM »

I am about to buy half life counter strike can anyone tell me if it is more of a military game like halo or just a shooter game like unreal tournament? thanks in advance
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2004, 12:17:31 AM »

type of unreal IMHO, you have a group of people(terrorist and antiterrorists) under your command and shoudl complete the mission(my description maybe not be accurate since I've played only in original HL not CS). But CS is very popular over here especially in computer clubs where people play after each over. It's somewhat like Unreal IMHO but more fascinating probably since people play in it not UT. Maybe someone could give you better review of this game and what it's all about? let's wait and see...
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2004, 01:22:44 AM »

I am about to buy half life counter strike can anyone tell me if it is more of a military game like halo or just a shooter game like unreal tournament? thanks in advance

I've not played it for ages, but you can be part of a team. It's like one army against the other army.
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